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CDSHotels Terrasini - Città del Mare

4.0 star property
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Seasonal outdoor pool, pool umbrellas, pool loungers
4 restaurants, breakfast, lunch, dinner served; international cuisine
Beach/ocean view
Terrace/patio
Minibar, in-room safe, desk, free cots/infant beds

Reviews

6.8 out of 10

Popular amenities

  • Bar
    Bar
  • All-inclusive
    All-inclusive
  • Gym
    Gym
  • Spa
    Spa
  • Pet-friendly
    Pet-friendly
  • Pool
    Pool

Explore the area

Map
Strada Statale 113 Km 301.100, Terrasini, PA, 90049
  • Regional Museum of Palazzo D'Aumale
    11 min drive
  • La Praiola
    19 min drive
  • Magaggiari Beach
    20 min drive
  • Palermo (PMO-Punta Raisi)
    20 min drive

Room options

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Minibar, in-room safe, desk, free cots/infant beds

Superior Triple Room, Sea View

  • Sea view
  • Sleeps 3
  • 1 Double Bed and 1 Twin Bed

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Superior Double Room, Sea View

Superior Double Room, Sea View

  • Sea view
  • Sleeps 2
  • 1 Double Bed

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Minibar, in-room safe, desk, free cots/infant beds

Comfort Triple Room, Park View

  • Park view
  • Sleeps 3
  • 1 Double Bed and 1 Twin Bed

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Camera Sestupla Comfort, vista parco

Camera Sestupla Comfort, vista parco

  • Park view
  • Sleeps 6
  • 2 Double Beds and 2 Twin Beds OR 1 Double Bed and 4 Twin Beds

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Superior Quadruple Room, Sea View

Superior Quadruple Room, Sea View

  • Sea view
  • Sleeps 4
  • 1 Double Bed and 2 Twin Beds

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Comfort Quadruple Room, Park View

Comfort Quadruple Room, Park View

  • Park view
  • Sleeps 4
  • 1 Double Bed and 2 Twin Beds

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Comfort Double Room, Park View

Comfort Double Room, Park View

  • Park view
  • Sleeps 2
  • 1 Double Bed

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About the area

Terrasini

Located in Terrasini, CDSHotels Terrasini - Città del Mare is within a 15-minute drive of Regional Museum of Palazzo D'Aumale and El Pam Pam. .This beach hotel is 4.7 mi (7.6 km) from La Praiola and 5.2 mi (8.3 km) from Magaggiari Beach.

What's nearby

  • Regional Museum of Palazzo D'Aumale - 11 min drive - 7.8 km
  • Magaggiari Beach - 20 min drive - 8.3 km
  • Balestrate Beach - 20 min drive - 10.3 km
  • Spaggia Forgia - 20 min drive - 10.3 km
  • spiaggia Balestrate - 22 min drive - 17.9 km

Getting around

  • Trappeto Station - 11 min drive
  • Punta Raisi Airport (PMO) - 20 min drive

Restaurants

  • ‪Brugnano Café - ‬8 min drive
  • ‪Iclub - ‬12 min drive
  • ‪Carlo's Cafe - ‬11 min drive
  • ‪Scià Martin - ‬9 min drive
  • ‪P.r. Bar di Polizzi Pietro e c. SNC - ‬10 min drive

About this property

CDSHotels Terrasini - Città del Mare

Hotel with private beach, full-service spa
CDSHotels Terrasini - Città del Mare offers 803 air-conditioned accommodations with minibars and safes. Rooms open to balconies or patios. 20-inch flat-screen televisions come with digital channels.

Bathrooms include showers with rainfall showerheads, bidets, complimentary toiletries, and hair dryers. Business-friendly amenities include desks, desk chairs, and phones. Housekeeping is offered daily and change of towels can be requested.

A children's pool and a seasonal outdoor pool are on site. Other recreational amenities include outdoor tennis courts, a waterslide, a steam room, and a fitness center.

Guests under 4 years old are not allowed in the spa tub.

The recreational activities listed below are available either on site or nearby; fees may apply.

CDS Beauty & SPA has 3 treatment rooms including rooms for couples. Services include hot stone massages, sports massages, facials, and body scrubs. The spa is equipped with a sauna, a spa tub, a steam room, and Turkish bath/hammam.

The spa is open daily. Guests under 16 years old are not allowed in the spa.

Make yourself at home in one of the 803 air-conditioned rooms featuring minibars and flat-screen televisions. Rooms have private balconies or patios. Digital television is provided for your entertainment. Private bathrooms with showers feature rainfall showerheads and complimentary toiletries.
Pamper yourself with a visit to the spa, which offers massages, body treatments, and facials. You can soak up the sun at the private beach or enjoy other recreational amenities including outdoor tennis courts and a waterslide. Additional features at this hotel include complimentary wireless internet access, concierge services, and supervised childcare. The complimentary beach shuttle makes getting to the surf and sand a breeze.
All-inclusive rates are available at this hotel. Meals and beverages at onsite dining establishments are included in all-inclusive rates. Charges may be applied for dining at some restaurants, special dinners and dishes, some beverages, and other amenities.

Enjoy international cuisine at Ristorante Centrale, one of the hotel's many dining establishments, which include 4 restaurants and 4 coffee shops/cafes. Mingle with other guests at the complimentary reception, held daily. Relax with a refreshing drink at the beach bar, the poolside bar, or one of 4 bars/lounges.

Featured amenities include a business center, dry cleaning/laundry services, and a 24-hour front desk. Event facilities at this hotel consist of a conference center and 12 meeting rooms. Guests may use a roundtrip airport shuttle for a surcharge, and free self parking is available onsite.
A complimentary manager's reception is offered each day.
Ristorante Centrale - This buffet restaurant specializes in international cuisine and serves breakfast, lunch, and dinner. A children's menu is available.
Il Siciliano - This theme restaurant specializes in local cuisine and serves dinner only. Guests can enjoy alfresco dining (weather permitting). Reservations are required. Open daily.
L'Oasi - Overlooking the ocean, this buffet restaurant specializes in vegetarian cuisine and serves dinner only. Reservations are required. Open daily.
La Capannuccia - This family restaurant specializes in pizza and serves dinner only. Guests can enjoy alfresco dining (weather permitting). Reservations are required. Open daily.

All-inclusive details

All-inclusive room rates at CDSHotels Terrasini - Città del Mare are available. These rates are higher because they include onsite food and beverages in the room rate (some restrictions may apply).

Languages

English, French, German, Italian, Spanish

Property amenities

Internet

  • Available in some public areas: Free WiFi

Parking and public transport

  • Free uncovered self-parking on site
  • Wheelchair-accessible parking available
  • On-site parking includes off-street options
  • Return airport shuttle (surcharge)
  • Free beach shuttle

Food and drink

  • 4 restaurants and 4 coffee shops
  • 4 bars/lounges, 1 beach bar and 1 poolside bar
  • Free daily reception
  • Coffee/tea in a common area

Restaurants on site

  • Ristorante Centrale
  • Il Siciliano
  • L'Oasi
  • La Capannuccia

Things to do

  • 10 outdoor tennis courts
  • Fitness classes
  • Arcade/games room
  • Archery
  • Basketball
  • Beach volleyball
  • Bike rentals
  • Children's pool
  • Fitness centre
  • Free beach club
  • Full-service spa
  • Lifeguards on-site
  • Mini golf
  • Seasonal outdoor pool
  • Steam room
  • Tennis
  • Volleyball

Family friendly

  • Arcade/games room
  • Children's club
  • Children's games
  • Children's pool
  • Free cots/infant beds
  • Free supervised childcare
  • Mini golf
  • Seasonal outdoor pool
  • Snack bar/deli
  • Water slide

Conveniences

  • ATM/banking services
  • Banquet hall
  • Lift
  • Front-desk safe
  • Lockers available
  • Vending machine

Guest services

  • 24-hour front desk
  • Change of towels (on request)
  • Concierge services
  • Daily housekeeping
  • Dry-cleaning service
  • Hair salon
  • Luggage storage
  • Tour/ticket assistance

Business services

  • Business centre
  • Conference centre
  • Meeting rooms - 12

Outdoors

  • Beach loungers
  • Beach umbrellas
  • Garden
  • Lifeguards on site
  • Outdoor entertainment area
  • Outdoor furniture
  • Pool sunloungers
  • Pool umbrellas
  • Terrace

Spa

  • 3 treatment rooms
  • Body scrubs
  • Body treatments
  • Couples treatment room(s)
  • Facials
  • Manicures and pedicures
  • Massage - hot stone
  • Massage - sports
  • Massage/treatment rooms
  • Sauna
  • Spa open daily
  • Hot tub
  • Steam room
  • Turkish bath/hammam

Accessibility

  • If you have any requests for specific accessibility needs, please contact the property using the information on the reservation confirmation received after booking.
  • Bathroom emergency pull cord
  • Lift
  • Lift door width (centimetres): 89
  • Fixed shower seat
  • Grab bar near toilet
  • Toilet grab bar height (centimetres): 140
  • Hand-held shower head
  • Raised toilet seat
  • Raised toilet seat height (centimetres): 140
  • Roll-in shower
  • Roll-in shower width (centimetres): 90
  • Well-lit path to entrance
  • Wheelchair-accessible business centre
  • Wheelchair-accessible parking
  • 6 on-site accessible parking spaces
  • Wheelchair-accessible public bathroom
  • Wheelchair-accessible restaurant
  • Wheelchair-accessible (may have limits)

More

  • Designated smoking areas (fines apply)

Room amenities

Bedroom

  • Air conditioning
  • Bed sheets
  • Free cots/infant beds
  • Heating

Bathroom

  • Bidet
  • Free toiletries
  • Hairdryer
  • Private bathroom
  • Rainfall showerhead
  • Shampoo
  • Shower
  • Soap
  • Toilet paper
  • Towels

Entertainment

  • 20-inch flat-screen TV
  • Digital channels

Food and drink

  • Free bottled water
  • Minibar

More

  • Desk
  • Desk chair
  • Phone
  • Safe

Policies

Check-in

Check-in start time: 5:00 PM; Check-in end time: anytime
Minimum check-in age: 18

Check-out

Check-out before 10:00 AM
Late check-out subject to availability
Late check-out fee: EUR 50

Special check-in instructions

Front desk staff will greet guests on arrival

Renovations and closures

The property is closed between October 20 and March 22.

Access methods

Staffed front desk

Pets

Pets allowed for an extra charge of EUR 10 per pet, per night
Service animals are welcome, and are exempt from fees
Welcoming dogs only
1 total (up to 22 lbs per pet)
Pets cannot be left unattended
Specific rooms only, restrictions apply; pet-friendly rooms can be requested by contacting the property at the number on the booking confirmation
Food and water bowls and an off-leash area are available

Children and extra beds

Children are welcome
Free cribs are available on request at the property

Payment types

Important information

Fees

You'll be asked to pay the following charges at the property. Fees may include applicable taxes:

  • A tax is imposed by the city: EUR 2.00 per person, per night. This tax does not apply to children under 11 years of age.

We have included all charges provided to us by the property.

Optional extras

  • Pet fee: EUR 10 per pet, per night
  • Service animals are exempt from fees
  • Late check-out fee: EUR 50 (subject to availability)

The above list may not be comprehensive. Fees and deposits may not include tax and are subject to change.

You need to know

Extra-person charges may apply and vary depending on property policy
Government-issued photo identification and a credit card, debit card, or cash deposit may be required at check-in for incidental charges
Special requests are subject to availability upon check-in and may incur additional charges; special requests cannot be guaranteed
This property accepts credit cards; cash is not accepted

We should mention

All guests, including children, must be present at check-in and show their government-issued photo ID card or passport
Cash transactions at this property cannot exceed EUR 5000, due to national regulations; for further details, please contact the property using information in the booking confirmation
The seasonal pool will be open from May to October
Reservations are required for massage services and spa treatments; reservations can be made by contacting the property prior to arrival, using the contact information on the booking confirmation
Only registered guests are allowed in the guestrooms
Some facilities may have restricted access; guests can contact the property for details using the contact information on the booking confirmation
A car is not required for transportation to and from this property
Guests under 4 years old are not allowed in the spa tub
Guests under 16 years old are not allowed in the spa

National rating

This property has received its official star rating from the local rating authority.

Property is also known as

Città Mare Resort Village Terrasini
Citta Del Mare Hotel Village Sicily, Italy - Terrasini
Città del Mare Hotel Village Terrasini
Citta Del Mare Terrasini
Città del Mare Village
Città del Mare Village Terrasini
Città Mare Hotel Village Terrasini
Città Mare Hotel Village
Città Mare Resort Village
Città Mare Village

CDSHotels Terrasini - Città del Mare Reviews

Reviews

6.8
Rating 10 - Excellent. 48 out of 269 reviews" "
Rating 8 - Good. 92 out of 269 reviews" "
Rating 6 - Okay. 65 out of 269 reviews" "
Rating 4 - Poor. 36 out of 269 reviews" "
Rating 2 - Terrible. 28 out of 269 reviews" "

6.6/10

Cleanliness

6.6/10

Staff & service

7.2/10

Amenities

6.0/10

Property conditions & facilities

6.8/10

Eco-friendliness

Reviews

2/10 Terrible

Tara

Stayed 12 nights in Jul 2024

2/10 Terrible

luigi

Travelled with family
Disliked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities
This place sucks. No room service. When u call the front desk for something they don’t answer. We had a leak in the room and no one came I had to clean it up myself.
Stayed 10 nights in Jul 2024

6/10 Okay

Gorden

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities
Stayed 2 nights in Apr 2024

2/10 Terrible

Yvette, Manvel

Travelled with partner
Liked: Staff & service
Disliked: Property conditions & facilities
A lot of the amenities were closed (water slide, gift shop , atm). However, great views but the hotel is dated and nothing walking distance. The staff were really nice.
Stayed 1 night in Mar 2024

4/10 Poor

Farah

Travelled with partner
Disliked: Cleanliness, staff & service, amenities, property conditions & facilities
toilet three times was fixed shower water wouldn't drain
Stayed 10 nights in Oct 2023

2/10 Terrible

Alexander

Liked: Property conditions & facilities
Disliked: Cleanliness, staff & service
Stayed 4 nights in Oct 2023

4/10 Poor

Joel

Travelled with family
Disliked: Cleanliness, amenities, property conditions & facilities
The property may have been 4* a couple of decades ago, but it is no longer. Sheets were dirty. Mold in the shower and bathroom grout. Mold on the balcony walls. Silverfish bugs. Terrible cleaning practices. Got food poisoning from buffet fish that was clearly not warm enough after taking a bite. The restaurants have ridiculous hours and the main eating areas are more like high school cafeterias than a 4* dining experience. Even the “specialty” restaurants (if you can get in with the stupid bloody website they use) have this cafeteria vibe. If you miss breakfast (which closes at like 9:30am) you’re screwed for food until lunch, because there is no other facility for food or snacks, unless you’re lucky enough to find a bar with some pretzels, which only happened once in our 5 days there. The drinks are handed out in ridiculously small single-use disposable plastic cups which are generating huge amounts of preventable waste, but to their credit the drinks are full-strength. But hey, we are encouraged by signs everywhere to “think green” by not taking too much food and reusing our towels!! The hypocrisy is unbelievable. The common areas and hallways around the rooms are dirty and haven’t seen a mop in years. The whole resort is dilapidated and in need of a major renovation, but the landscaping is pretty, and the view of the bay is incredible. Not enough to get us to come back though. I could go on but I’ve hit my character limit.
Stayed 5 nights in Aug 2023

2/10 Terrible

Angelo

Travelled with family
Disliked: Staff & service, amenities
I don’t know where to begin. If I could give zero stars I would. The only people who were friendly and looked like they wanted to work at the hotel were the women at check-in. The hotel was “all inclusive” so I guess if you don’t mind eating on a buffet line and in a school cafeteria then this hotel is good for you. The buffet didn’t even offer Italian food. The women who served the “all inclusive” drinks slammed them down at you the drink spilt out of the cup. Espresso was like mud. The resort is huge and on a steep hill so if you are handicap or get tired easily it is not for you. They also had these huge ants all over the property. Can you at least spray the property? The so called beds were horrendous. It was like sleeping on a piece of cardboard with prison sheets. Your entire body felt all the springs. Definitely not for adults who want an authentic Italian experience. Not close to the main town and the beach was not clean. The shuttle that took you to the beach was dirty and hot. I had to end my stay early even though I did not get my money back. Took it as a sunk cost and stayed at a better hotel in Castellammare del Golfo.
Stayed 3 nights in Jun 2023

10/10 Excellent

JACQUELINE

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service
Great property, family friendly, Lots to do with kids. The rooms are a bit dated and not well maintained but the grounds are beautiful. Food was okay nothing to rave about the breakfast wasnt worth it. The bars, pools, slides, shops and all all were great.
Stayed 2 nights in Jun 2023

8/10 Good

Juri

Travelled with family
Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities
The location is remote, with no easy way to get out anywhere except by making reservations for the tours. The access to the beach is from 9 am to 7 pm, and often it was closed earlier. The shuttle to the nearby sandy beach is also only until 6:30 pm. I wish it were possible to bet to the beach earlier, before breakfast, as well as later in the evening to see the sunset and water. The food was very good.
Stayed 6 nights in Jun 2023

8/10 Good

Rose Anne

Travelled with family, Travelled with partner
Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities
For me i think you may divide the people in two times and people who leave food on the table have to pay for it i saw a lot of waste while a lot of people are dying with out food and the money you collect give it to them
Stayed 5 nights in Sep 2022

6/10 Okay

Roberto

Travelled with family
Liked: Room comfort
The atmosphere is amazing with a lot of activities all day long. Unfortunately the check- in was a huge disorganization. The food is good but you need to go early to find a table otherwise you end up without eating.Booking at special restaurants is a farce, site does not work also customer service does not exists.Also there should be a means of transportation for traveling from one side to another of the resort especially for elder people.
Stayed 3 nights in Sep 2022

8/10 Good

Christopher

Travelled with family and small children
Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, amenities, property conditions & facilities
Love the water slides , the view of the sea and the bars with free drinks.
Stayed 4 nights in Sep 2021

8/10 Good

peter

Liked: Cleanliness, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
Nice trip to Scicly
I arrived late sunday evening and booking in was very easy and hassle free the room was very clean i was in block nina very close to reception some blocks away off reception and down a lot of steps but next day reception jammed from 11 am to 5pm with people checking in and same most days. the food was italain based varied with pork chicken turkey and plenty of different fish but food hall very packed at all meal times no socail distance but all wearing masks the only downfall is very few staff speak english and the amount of young children i did not realise it was basicly a huge kiddies club very loud but still enjoyed stay could do with adults area for a bit of calmness and qiite
Stayed 7 nights in Sep 2020

6/10 Okay

David, Oxfordshire

Liked: Cleanliness
Disliked: Property conditions & facilities
The Potential is Aesome, the Reality isn’t.
It would have been a sight to behold in its prime. It’s a shame that the hotel has become extremely dated and in some areas falling to pieces. We went in October so most of the facility’s weren’t even open anyway, we had professional swimmers in the main pool twice a day every day which ment access was limited and it was the only pool opened. We went exploring around the hotel which was depressing. As a whole our stay was alright but they didn’t have a double bed so we had to push two singles together and actually went out to buy proper bedding ourselves so that we felt comfortable. I think 3/5 is a generous rating as the hotel at most is 2Star establishment as there is no room service and when you go to the bar the bar tender takes 30min breaks at lunch times. The views made the stay acceptable. Won’t be back unless they have a refurbishment.
Stayed 6 nights in Oct 2018

4/10 Poor

Travel, united states

Disliked: Staff & service
Checking in took almost 2 hours. We then drove to our building but the gates are all closed blocking the roads so you have to find a spot and lug your stuff a good distance to your room. This truck was awful with 3 tired kids under the age of 5. The slides were cool but smaller than we expected they were also very far from our room and that took another really long walk- a shuttle system would be nice for the whole property (they only have one for the beach). The view was beautiful at this resort; however, their payment card system is a total scam. If you visit only pay cash and insist on change in cash. The food was expensive and not good. Best part of this place was the pool and view. If you plan on lugging your own food and drinks with you go for it.... otherwise I don’t recommend this property.
Stayed 1 night in Sep 2018

10/10 Excellent

Marisa

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
Two words: WATER SLIDE
THIS WATER SLIDE THOUGH!!! What more is there to say?! Just kidding... the hotel was awesome. Food was delicious and reasonably priced every meal is a buffet. The views are incredible. Friendly multilingual staff. The only complaint i have is there needs to be more employees at the front desk. There’s always a huge line of people and takes for ever to be helped. Otherwise a great overall stay!
Stayed 1 night in Jun 2018

10/10 Excellent

Verified traveller

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
Bruno is the best
Excellent place and Bruno behind the desk is the best . Tell him Janice and joe from Ny and he will give you whatever you need
Stayed 1 night in Sep 2017

4/10 Poor

Giuseppa L

Disliked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
Didn't it once that's enough!
Paid for the newer room with new air conditioner and the air conditioning didn't work, didn't have the air conditioning remote, safe didn't work and had a lot of ants.
Stayed 1 night in Jul 2017

4/10 Poor

Jakob

Disliked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities
Stayed 1 night in Jul 2017

8/10 Good

Vincent

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, room comfort
In general location was great, it is mostly a family place and tend to be very crowded. Service was not great at first but then a waiter from Boston changed our opinion and made the trip much more enjoyable.
Stayed 2 nights in Jun 2017

8/10 Good

Johann

Liked: Cleanliness, room comfort
resort is very nice
the resort is very nice it has a lot of places were to go all do they were closed like kids area and night life food was good but poor if it was of the maltese it would be the nicest resort in the hole europe but over all is a 3 star resort and is a good price for a small break near buy there are amazing plsces like san vito lo capo and mazara del valo
Stayed 3 nights in Jun 2017

10/10 Excellent

J, London

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
Excellent reception staff. Dining room a bit of a scramble over breakfast ..a few more staff to replenish and clear would help. Excellent dinners.Spacious parkland with purpose built blocks through out. Good for 'chilling' in the heat!. Certainly need a car to explore the island. Would come back for the rest and relaxation aspects.

2/10 Terrible

jojo, montreal

Disliked: Cleanliness, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
Great view and that's it!
Very old and run down. Mold in showers. Beds uncomfortable

2/10 Terrible

KC, Indiana

Disliked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
Sad Hotel
When researching hotels in the Palermo area, my son saw the water slides and wanted to stay here. I read all of the bad reviews and thought, 'how bad can it be'? We only stayed one night, thank goodness. The hotel is probably the worst that I have ever stayed in. This is an enormous complex with many motel-like buildings with a sad 1980's feel. The exterior is in severe disrepair with broken steps, lights, and tired looking vegetation. We didn't see any groundskeepers other than one who was sweeping cigarette butts in the parking lot. The interior of our room was just as depressing. The size of the room was fine. However, the room has probably never been updated. There weren't any comforting ammenities and the air conditioning barely worked, pumping warm air. We tried to go to the main lobby in the evening to feel better but it was even hotter there! Alas, we retreated back to our room to sleep off the depression in our four, single, stiff beds. We woke the next morning for our kids to ride the water slides, which was the best part of our experience. There were only two attendants manning the slide area...one facing the entire 4-tier slide and one, on another level, facing the sea. Unfortunately, there was no way for the attendant facing the slide to properly control the dangerous behavior of some of the guests who didn't take into consideration the safety of others. Overall, the hotel feels like it is operating at the bare minimum and I cannot recommend it.